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Loralie Designs
Hall Of Shame Member
Added December 31, 2007

Last Updated October 27, 2010

Loralie Designs is located at 1820 S. Morgan Street, Granbury, TX 76048. Their web site is located at www.loraliedesigns.com Their web site carries the disclaimer:

Loralie Designs doesn't want their fabric and designs sold on eBay and they say so.
Contact is shown by eBay as being Cami Gilbert, Loralie's Assistant & Project Manager, Phone 817.573.4015, Fax 817.579.5469.
Loralie designs is listed in The Tabberone Trademark & Copyright Abusers' Hall of Shame because they end perfectly legitimate eBay auctions for some of the most outrageous reasons.
Seems Loralie Designs took exception to Too-Much-Fabric selling their fabric on eBay. Huh? Just re-selling the fabric? On March 9, 2006, Too-Much-Fabric received the infamous Why Ended Email listing the offending auctions and who the culprit was, Loralie Designs.
On March 10, 2006, Too-Much-Fabric emailed Cami Gilbert resident nitwit at Loralie Designs for an explanation:

"I refer once again to all these cancelled auctions - did you look at my pictures? Each of them has an Australian 20c piece in them. I have never been to your web site and am not about to go there - but I assume you do not put Australian coins in your photographs to show scale. I bought your fabric in good faith from an American Retailer. I re sell on Ebay as a small business - I follow eBays stated policies and describe my fabrics in my own words and use my OWN photographs or scans. Please advise how this in an infringement. I look forward to your prompt reply!"

Cami Gilbert resident nitwit at Loralie Designs replied:

"Our fabric and designs may not be sold on any global platform, such as ebay (sic). This is part of our copyright law. That is why the auctions were taken down. For more on copyright please see our website at www.LoralieDesigns.com."

Whose copyright law, Cami? the copyright law of Loralie Designs? When did Loralie Designs become an independent entity and make its own laws? Does Loralie Designs issue its own currency and stamps? And what are the geographical boundaries of Loralie-Land?
US Copyright Law says just the opposite of what the independent state of Loralie Designs says concerning selling fabric on "any global platform".
Not to be deterred, Too-Much-Fabric fired back on March 11th:

"I bought this fabric at retail (via a huge internet retail site) I used what I needed - and am selling off the rest - I don't understand why I can not do this with your fabric when the retailer who sold it to me - presumably with your blessing - did so on a "global platform". I also looked to find many other sellers selling the same fabric on eBay.
Is your fabric protected by any other laws - than say Debbie Mumm or Kaffe Fassett, Liberty of London or Moda? I ask these questions only to clarify my position. For some time I have been selling my and other quilters left over fabrics on eBay and it has developed into a healthy little business. I have never had any other auctions pulled. Indeed Debbie Mumm has an About Me page on eBay that explains the legal requirements of selling any of her items - I notice your company doesn't have one of those pages - even though according to eBay it is encouraged as part of their VERO programme.
I would be interested to know why your fabric is treated differently by law than any others and why my auctions are being treated differently than other sellers."

Cami Gilbert resident nitwit at Loralie Designs replied:

"To give you a little background, we were advised by our legal council (sic) to NOT allow any selling of our copyrighted images (i.e. fabric, machine embroidery) on ebay (sic) at all. There are many legalities that go with copyright law violations and other common violations that most artists face on a daily basis. At this point, we feel this is the best way we can protect ourselves is by not allowing any selling on ebay (sic).
As far as selling our designs and fabric legally, I can't tell you how hard we work at trying to get people off of eBay. It's a never- ending battle. I assure you that everyday we check eBay to see who is selling our designs or fabric, and we e-mail their VeRO team to have them shut down. Sometimes this can take a couple days before we see any result. We've also been told by legal council that this is the best thing we can do right now, but that eBay is under investigation for allowing such violation. Unfortunately sometimes it takes years before anything gets to court.
Only recently, we were made aware that ebay had an Australia site as well and that is when we found many of our fabrics listed and had them taken down.
I hope this helps you see that we truly do care about our product and is unfortunate that we have to take such measures to protect our images."

What a crock! Lie after lie after lie. First, we seriously doubt you or anyone else even talked to you "legal council (sic)" Cami, and if you did, your legal counsel was lying in telling you that re-selling the fabric is a copyright violation. Additionally, Loralie Designs lacks the legal right to "NOT allow any selling" of your copyrighted images. Ask your idiot lawyers to explain the First Sale Doctrine to you, that is, assuming your lawyer went to law school and if your lawyer even knows about it. In addition, it is fair use, under copyright law, to use pictures of the product being sold. Your lawyer is wrong on every count. And so are you.
Cami Gilbert resident nitwit at Loralie Designs also stated:

""Our copyright policies are stated on our website, which include the statement that our fabric and designs may not be sold on ebay (sic).
You asked what law protects us from you selling our designs on ebay (sic)? The answer is our designs are copyrighted. The fabric you have purchased has our copyrighted images on them and therefore we have the right to protect ourselves from ebay use. Selling them in this way is a violation."

Cami Gilbert, you are so incredibly stupid we will not even comment any more on your ridiculous claims.

Cami Gilbert resident nitwit at Loralie Designs stated on March 14, 2006:

"If there are more auctions on ebay (sic) with our items, they are still ongoing because we have not found them at this time. Any auctions we find with our items we take down. So if you found some that we have not, the reason they have not been taken down is because we have not found them to notify vero (sic) about (sic)."
As far as the copyright....we have registered our images with the United States Office of Copyright. This copyright can be seen on the selvage of the fabric. Because our images are copyrighted, we have the right to control where they are or are not sold. Part of our copyright policy states that they may not be sold on ebay (sic) and that selling on ebay (sic) is a violation of the copyright. When someone disregards this policy, we can take legal action against them.

This is the part that would prevent you from being able to sell on ebay."

Sorry, Cami, but no cigar. You are a perfect example of someone who has their head up their ass.

The "copyrighted images" were lawfully purchased on fabric and then resold unaltered. If you or your lawyers even remotely believe you have the right to stop that then please send us some of whatever you are smoking because it is primo. Copyright law requires someone reproduce the lawfully acquired item, not just resell it. After you have released the copyrighted item into the stream of commerce you relinquish control over the future use or resale of the item. If your lawyer didn't sleep through Supreme Court Decisions 101, your lawyer will find this under Quality King v Lanza, 1998. And, look under copyright law, 17 U.S.C. § 401 Notice of copyright . A copyright statement is defined and nowhere in the definition will you see anything that gives the copyright owner the authority to insert their "disclaimers" of "controls" over the product.
Later on March 14, 2006, Cami wrote:

"As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright owner."

Cami is stuck on stupid, stuoid, stupid. Having done her homework, Too-Much_fabric shot back:

"Dear Cami
I note that you cite the following quote to support your case:
'As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright owner'
The above is quote is partially correct, however you not quoting the full story. The point you are failing to grasp is that by agreeing to sell me the product (through a retailer freely advertising and displaying your designs on their website), you have granted me de facto permission to "reproduce, distribute, perform & publicly display" the image of the design. In effect, you have licensed me to do this by taking my money when you sold me the product. That's why I & every other customer you have agrees to pay you good consideration for the product, whether you or they, realise it or not. If you claim that your terms of sale do not include these rights, then you need to show me where you have specifically excluded any of these above rights, and how you specifically drew my attention to them & obtained my formal written agreement to them, prior to my purchasing your product. If you can't do that, then you can't prevent me from doing whatever I want to with the product that I have legitimately & lawfully purchased.
It concerns me that you clearly have a fundamental misunderstanding of the protection that the law of copyright offers to a copyright holder. Copyright protects you against, amongst other things, the theft or improper use of your designs. An excellent example of improper use would be someone producing & selling fabric using your design without your permission. Copyright law absolutely allows you to take action to stop that sort of infringement of your design.
However there is a huge difference between selling your design and selling your fabric. Copyright does not give you the authority to restrict the ability of someone to on-sell your product when that product is 100% legitimate (i.e., NOT a knock off) and which has been lawfully purchased (scans of receipts can be provided!). Further, copyright law does not grant you some automatic license to bully & intimidate for your own dubious and debatable purposes, legitimate traders who are doing nothing other than sell genuine product that was lawfully purchased.
I therefore respectfully request that you contact eBay and instruct them to restore those of my auctions that you have incorrectly had pulled, as there has not been any breach of your copyright. I look forward to receiving your response by return email.

It seems Too-Much-Fabric's argument struck a nerve. On March 15, 2006, Stuck-on-stupid Cami replied:

"I have contacted our attorney so he may give you the appropriate answer. As per my last email, it may take a few days. As soon as I hear back from him, I will email you the response".

Wait a minute there, dumb cheecks. Did you not claim earlier that you had acted upon advice of "legal council (sic)" or did you fabricate that? We think you lied to play "cover your ass". On March 15, 2006, Cami replied:

"I met with our company president on this and he wanted me to reinstate your auctions. Our apologies. In review of your copyright statements, we have decided to no longer go after fabric being sold on ebay, only designs."
Cami Gilbert
Loralie's Assistant & Project Manager"

Cami, we note your "title" does not include anything "legal" so why are you making and enforcing legal positions for your company? Is your company president, Chuck Harris, so stupid as to give you those duties? Inquiring minds want to know these things. tell us.
Part of the Licensing Agreement for Loralie Designs™ software contains the following"

"The Purchaser agrees to waive any claims to the Fair Use Exception and the First Sale Doctrine in US Copyright & Trademark Law that may attach to this protected material."

What a crock! Federal courts have already stated that a purchaser cannot waive their rights under federal law because of statements in an End User Licensing Agreement ("EULA"). This statement by Loralie Designs shows that Loralie Designs and their hare-brained lawyers are not in touch with reality. But gee, there are aware of "Fair Use Exception" and the "First Sale Doctrine". They just act stupid.
Companies like this, and their terminally stupid representatives, that are engaged in the unlawful termination of legal selling activities, are the reason we support federal laws giving damages to those sellers. These companies are not protecting their trademarks and copyrights but rather they are trying to control the secondary market - illegally.

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