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Harley-Davidson
Hall Of Shame Member
Added October 21, 2007

Just to clarify a misconception. Harley-Davidson is a member of the eBay VeRO Program. It is the VeRO member who is terminating the auctions. While eBay and its moronic under-trained staffers do sometimes pull actions, the great majority are pulled by the VeRO Member. The auctions described here were attacked, wrongly, by Harley-Davidson and their idiot resident ding-dong, Judy Henslee.
It's not a mtter of protecting one's trademark. It's a matter of misusing the trademark laws to improperly interfere with perfectly legitimate sellers.

In 2004, we had a run-in with Harley-Davidson Motor Cycles concerning a pillow we had listed on eBay. We had purchased a Harley-Davidson Motor Cycles bandana from a Harley-Davidson Motor Cycles dealer in Denver and made a pillow out it. We were emailed by Harley-Davidson Motor Cycles inquiring about the source of the fabric since Harley-Davidson Motor Cycles had never authorized to production or sale of any fabric bearing the trademarks of Harley-Davidson Motor Cycles. Once we told them, they told us OK. We considered that to be the appropriate manner in which a trademark holder should conduct themselves when in doubt.

We regret to announce that as of October 2007, Harley-Davidson and its trademark manager, Judy Henslee, have crossed over to the Dark Side. They have joined the many and, in our never-to-be-humble opinion, deliberately unethical companies and law firms engaged in controlling the secondary market. By perverting the wording of trademark and copyright law, they spend their happy time terminating perfectly lawful eBay auctions along with the many auctions listing counterfeits. With their logic they don't have to pay any attention to reality or cafefully examine the auctions. Another really good example of why there needs to be civil penalties for companies who wrongly use trademark and copyright laws to hurt innocent sellers.

An eBay seller named The Vintage Doctor had an auction terminated on orders from Judy Henslee, trademark manager of Harley-Davidson. Judy's first email to The Vintage Doctor was rather confusing especially since Judy wasn't talking about the same auction. She rattled on about things that didn't apply. Maybe she hadn't had enough coffee. The Vintage Doctor fired back another inquiry based upon the first email, asking for clarification.
After figuring out what auction was at issue, Judy Henslee, trademark manager of Harley-Davidson, told The Vintage Doctor in an email October 19, 2007, that "you can't do what you were doing". Now there's a really definitive answer for you. Judy, how about just a titch more detail in the future? That is, if it doesn't cut into your coffee break time. How about something we could understand?
The Vintage Doctor sent another email citing legal arguments supporting her position that she had done nothing wrong. We agree with her arguments. Under copyright and trademark law she did nothing wrong. Granted, we think her title could have been a bit more specific and she could have had a better disclaimer, but these are not the real issues here. Her right to use a Harley-Davidison t-shirt and soup it up and then sell it, is legal.

So, what happens, you ask? Judy Henslee, trademark manager of Harley-Davidson, fires back a snotty and mistake-laden email in which she admits one very telling point, that she is not a lawyer. She begins by chastising The Vintage Doctor, accusing her of practicing law without a license . It's apparent that Judy Henslee, trademark manager of Harley-Davidson, isn't a lawyer but she qualifies as a yo-yo because even an idiot knows you don't have to be a lawyer (or be accused of practicing law without a license) to defend yourself. Why would say something so insipid? Is it your superiority complex or just bad manners? Perhaps you've been sniffing too many tailpipes?

But, we digress. There was no "material transformation of goods" as claimed by Judy Henslee, trademark manager of Harley-Davidson. The Vintage Doctor used the back of a Harley-Davidson t-shirt for the front of her shirt. The only "goods" at question is the back of the Harley-Davidson t-shirt which has not been altered. The image was not transformed. Judy attempts to confuse the facts by falsely alleging that cutting up the t-shirt removed it from Harley-Davidson's approval and therefore removes it from standard trademark law. Huh? How? Based upon your argument Judy, buying a Ford truck and then repainting it another color would not only void the warranty but Ford could forever block you from ever again calling it a Ford. It does not compute.

But then, does it have to compute? Not in la-la land where Judy Henslee, trademark manager of Harley-Davidson, resides. You see, companies that have crossed over to the Dark Side have their own rules and own interpretation of the trademark and copyright laws, as do their corporate lawyers. And, if you don't like it, then get yourself a lawyer and take the matter into court. Right. The Dark Side Bullies know the small business they attack can't afford to fight back. So the Bullies get away with their tactics.
For someone who claims not to be a lawyer, Judy Henslee, trademark manager of Harley-Davidson, certainly tosses out a lot of baseless arguments. She remains "stuck on stupid" in her email dated October 20, 2007. She insists that the issue is a trademark issue because the t-shirt bears a "federally-registered" trademark. But Judy, Judy, Judy, you miss the point. For it to be a trademark infringement issue, The Vintage Doctor would have had to either counterfeit the Harley-Davidson logo in question or have had to attach a logo to the t-shirt to give the public the false impression it had been manufactured by Harley-Davidson. And you are are wrong; the t-shirt is protected by copyright law. The first sale doctrine does apply to the sale and subsequent use of this t-shirt. And had you bothered to look at any of the legal opinions sent to you, you would have noticed that the first sale doctrine was specifically quoted by a unamimous Supreme Court in Quality King Distributors, Inc. v. L'Anzaresearch Int'l concerning the importation of trademarked goods. Perhaps it is YOU, Judy Henslee, trademark manager of Harley-Davidson, who are "practicing law without a clue"? This most certainly is a copyright case, you nimrod.
In her email dated her email dated October 20, 2007, Judy goes on in paragraph 3 to admit that Harley-Davidson may not be able to control their further distribution in their original state but then contradicts that with we most certainly can control its appearance and quality for as long as it continues to bear our trademarks. That's interesting. Just how, short of using storm trooper tactics, does Harley-Davidson intend to make sure that every owner of every Harley-Davidson product doesn't alter what they bought? Just what exactly is the "legally-entitled control" that Harley-Davidson has over a product once it has been sold? Does any adult in your office proof-read what you send out? Does Harley-Davidson believe there is a trademark police-state where you can control what people do? And what if they are repeat offenders? Run them over with a Low-Boy? That'll teach them.
Then Judy dissolves into emoting. She goes into a long rant about who knows what (caffine must have worn off). And rants, and rants. Then she accuses The Vintage Doctor of "applying our trademark to a product of your own creation", which is not what she did. She took a t-shirt bearing the Harley-Davidson logo and manufactured another shirt using the unaltered image. That is not "applying our trademark", that is using a design that incorporates the trademark. There is a difference.
In her second email dated October 20, 2007, Judy glibly says The Vintage Doctor "simply don't want to understand" the issues. No, Judy. She just doesn't understand the far-out position you've assumed. You're the one who either doesn't understand or you're simply spouting the unethical corproate garbage and inproperly terminating lawful eBay auctions. This is supported by Judy's assertion that the lawyers for Harley-Davidson that is "well-settled in courts" that disclaimer are generally ineffective. Huh? We notice you didn't cite any cases because there are none to support this really flimsy claim. Who are your lawyers? Weil, Screu, Yew & Moore?
Your lawyers ineptly quote from Charles of the Ritz when you say "disclaimers posted at the point of sale are not effective in preventing consumer confusion." We had deconstructed this misapplied lie used by corporate lawyers who are attempting to discredit disclaimers. The Second Court of Appeals maintained in Charles of the Ritz that the "district court judge was well within his discretion in requiring that the disclaimer be prominent and also indicate that the two companies were competitors". Does this sound like it is "well-settled in courts" to you? The judge in Precious Moments acknowleded the disclaimers while ordering, "In addition to being plainly visible to the purchaser, the notice should specify that, apart from the fabric, the items manufactured by T.M. Sewing Service for La Infantil are not in any way connected to Precious Moments, Inc.". Again, does this sound like it is "well-settled in courts" to you? Notice how we quote trademark and copyright law while all you do is whine? And, to paraphrase you, Judy, how would you like it if some self-rightous, uninformed jerk, falsely terminated perfectly legal auctions of your and then gave you rambling and unprofessional answers while admitting she didn't know anything on the subject? Look in the mirror, sweetie. That's you.

And, secondary confusion is the last refuge of scoundrels. It's a last gasp toss-in. Clutch away, Judy. except, Judy dearest, it's called subsequent confusion in the legal world and that doesn't apply here. Perhaps you meant secondary meaning but, alas, Judy dearest, that also doesn't apply here. Do you have something else about which you wish to whine? Because that's all you're doing. You present no case law to back your flimsy arguments. Why not?
In her third email dated October 20, 2007, Judy loses it again. Fair use doesn't just apply to "only to text trademarks". If a legitimate picture of the product being sold includes a trademarked logo, that is fair use. But that doesn't fit the fine line that you want others to believe, does it? And where in the hell did you dredge up "Trademarks are adjectives"? A trademark is an object, and therefore a noun. Trademark cannot be descriptors, as you claim, they are described. ("A large tree" contains the object "tree" and the adjective "large"). Are you practicing teaching English without a teacher's certification?
Then Judy sadly goes on to claim "a sign can't be sold as a clock", referring to the use of a sign as the face of a clock. Again, wrong. And, if anyone took you to court on this, you would lose. The real issue would not be the use of the Harley-Davidson sign as a clock face, over which there is no law prohibiting it being done, but whether or not the resulting clock was represented to the public as being a licensed Harley-Davidson product. You falsely claim the former while in fact the issue is the latter.
Oh, and Judy dearest, before you advance to the next stage of phony defenses, which is that you terminated the auction to protect your licensees; been there, heard that, it's crap.
Harley-Davidson Motor Cycles, with and through their pathetic trademark manager Judy Henslee, become a Tabberone "Because We Say So" company with double dodo clusters.

We also find this hilarious. If you try to visit www.harley-davidson-sucks.com, you will find it takes you right to the regular Harley-Davidson web site. It appears Harley-Davidson snapped up the web address before dissenters could. Hot damn! This domain name, harley-davidson-sucks.com, is owned by HD in Michigan.
Here's a challange for you, Judy. If you'r really serious about getting Harley-Davidson fakes off of eBay (fakes being counterfeits and items falsely described as Harley-Davidson), we can send you several hundred auctions in less than a day. If you were to spend your time REALLY going after Harley-Davidson fakes on eBay, you wouldn't have time for these small legitimate auctions. eBay seller phun4you had at least eight high-end kid's toys he was falsely calling Harley-Davidson on October 22, 2007. These aren't difficult to locate. But they might interfere with you getting your nails done or perhaps working on your tan. We'll make you an offer: you pay us 50 cents for every fake auction we send you to shut down. How about it, Judy?

And, for your "material transformation of goods" lame excuse, we hereby create a new award called the PITOOYA, or the "Pulled IT Out Of Your Ass" phoney legal excuse award (pronounced pi_too_ya). Much like an Academy Award is called an Oscar, we're going to affectionately call this award a "Henslee".

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